{"id":53498,"date":"2023-01-20T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-01-20T09:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/?p=53498"},"modified":"2023-01-22T18:06:56","modified_gmt":"2023-01-22T17:06:56","slug":"21-01-playing-with-ludwig-jouer-avec-ludwig-by-nikolaus-gansterer-klaus-speidel-book-launch-galerie-crone-berlin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/?p=53498","title":{"rendered":"21.01: \u201cPlaying with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig\u201d by Nikolaus Gansterer, Klaus Speidel | book launch @ Galerie Crone Berlin"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"682\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w-682x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-53556\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w-682x1024.jpg 682w, http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w-200x300.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w-768x1152.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book06_w.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 682px) 100vw, 682px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><br><strong><em>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig<\/em><\/strong><br><strong>Nikolaus Gansterer &amp; Klaus Speidel<\/strong><br><strong>Published by \u00c9ditions Dilecta, 2022<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Book launch<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>21 January 2023<br>from 4pm<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Galerie Crone Berlin<br>Fasanenstrasse 29<br>10719 Berlin<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br>How do colours relate to memory? How does language relate to the world (and vice versa)? Can the invisible, such as thoughts, atmospheres or pain, be grasped through art? Artist Nikolaus Gansterer and philosopher Klaus Speidel discuss these and similar questions in their new book\u00a0<em>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig<\/em>, published by \u00c9ditions Dilecta and Centre d\u2019art contemporain Les Tanneries. Taking Ludwig Wittgenstein\u2019s\u00a0<em>Philosophical Investigations<\/em>\u00a0as their starting point, Gansterer and Speidel have developed various works and formats, talking, drawing, assembling or doing all at the same time. Rather than just presenting results, the book documents the joint working process in numerous transcripts, which also reflect the genesis of the book itself.\u00a0<br><br>In the context of Nikolaus Gansterer\u2019s exhibition\u00a0<em>Strange Wor(l)ds<\/em>\u00a0at Galerie Crone Berlin, Fasanenstrasse 29, a book presentation in collaboration with Motto Books will take place on Saturday, 21 January 2023. The afternoon begins at 4 pm with a dialogue between Nikolaus Gansterer, Klaus Speidel and the drawing expert Jan-Philipp Fr\u00fchsorge. Afterwards, Gansterer and Speidel invite you to the first Berlin Language Game Lab, in which they will work with drawings and objects based on a remark by Ludwig Wittgenstein, resulting in an installation that takes up the methodology developed in the book.\u00a0<br><br>Galerie Crone, Motto Books and \u00c9ditions Dilecta cordially invite you to attend.<br><br><em>Playing with Ludwig<\/em>\u00a0opens with a conversation between the authors and the book\u2019s designer Gr\u00e9goire Romanet, where the first graphic ideas are discussed. It ends with the dialogue <em>How to close a book<\/em>, which prepares the final series of images. Exhibition photographs and works from the first exhibition documenting the research project\u00a0<em>Figures de pens\u00e9e<\/em>\u00a0at the Centre d\u2019art contemporain Les Tanneries have been annotated, continued or completed in drawings. Different styles and methodologies, which unfold in the chapters of the book, correspond to different methods and themes in Wittgenstein\u2019s work.\u00a0Two additional precise essays by Eric Degoute, director of Les Tanneries, and Roger Malbert, curator and drawing expert, elaborate on the dynamic relationship between thinking and drawing and reading as a form of friendship. In the series <em>Philosophical Deviations<\/em>, Nikolaus Gansterer draws on various paragraphs of Ludwig Wittgenstein\u2019s\u00a0<em>Philosophical Investigations<\/em>, exploring various forms and procedures. Gansterer explains: \u201cIt\u2019s important to say that none of these drawings are illustrations. I try to record how the text operates within me, how it influences my ways of thinking and feeling and then to take this movement as a springboard for drawing. It\u2019s not so much about what is being said, but how it moves a reader.\u201d At the centre of the book stand the paragraphs of the\u00a0<em>Philosophical Investigations<\/em>\u00a0themselves, to which the various works and conversations in the book refer, annotated in writing and drawing by Klaus Speidel.\u00a0<em>Memories of Colour<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Just imagine a Rod<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0<em>Now as One Thing, Now as Another<\/em>\u00a0are based on collections of hues, rods, and boxes (respectively). As Speidel, who obtained a PhD in philosophy from Sorbonne University, explains: \u201cIn our joint work, I am also interested in exploring the limits of philosophical abstraction. If we fail in our attempt at artistic concretization, this failure can in itself convey new insights in the sense of what Wittgenstein called \u201agoing against the frontiers of language\u2019. I believe that art production enables philosophical insights.\u201d This interference between philosophy and art can be experienced concretely in the titular series\u00a0<em>Playing with Ludwig<\/em>. In this performative experimental arrangement, two or more people sit opposite each other. Starting from a text, a new language game unfolds with drawings and objects.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\/\/<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Wie sind Farben mit Erinnerungen verkn\u00fcpft? Wie verh\u00e4lt sich Sprache zur Welt (und umgekehrt)? L\u00e4sst sich Unsichtbares wie Gedanken, Atmosph\u00e4ren oder Schmerz k\u00fcnstlerisch fassen?\u00a0<\/em>Diese und \u00e4hnliche Fragen diskutieren der K\u00fcnstler Nikolaus Gansterer und der Philosoph Klaus Speidel im neu erschienen Buch\u00a0<em>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig<\/em>, publiziert von \u00c9ditions Dilecta und Centre d\u2019art Les Tanneries. Ausgehend von Ludwig Wittgensteins\u00a0<em>Philosophische Untersuchungen<\/em>, auf die sie sprachlich, zeichnend und performativ reagieren, haben Gansterer und Speidel verschiedene Arbeiten und Formate entwickelt. Anstatt nur Ergebnisse zu pr\u00e4sentieren, dokumentiert das Buch in zahlreichen Transkripten auch den gemeinsamen Arbeitsprozess, bis hin zur Entstehung des Buches selbst.<br><br>Im Rahmen von Nikolaus Gansterers Ausstellung<em>\u00a0Strange Wor(l)ds\u00a0<\/em>in der Galerie Crone Berlin, Fasanenstrasse 29 die zahlreiche Werke aus dem Buchkorpus und auch viele neue Werke zeigt, findet dabei am Samstag, 21.1.2023 eine Buchpr\u00e4sentation in Zusammenarbeit mit Motto Books statt. Der Nachmittag beginnt ab 16 Uhr mit einem Gespr\u00e4ch zwischen Nikolaus Gansterer, Klaus Speidel und dem Zeichnungsexperten Jan-Philipp Fr\u00fchsorge. Danach laden Gansterer und Speidel zum ersten Berliner Language Game Lab ein, bei dem sie ausgehend von einer Bemerkung Ludwig Wittgensteins mit Zeichnungen und Objekten arbeiten, so dass am Ende entsprechend der Methodologie von\u00a0<em>Playing with Ludwig<\/em>\u00a0eine Installation entsteht.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dazu laden Galerie Crone, Motto Books und \u00c9ditions Dilecta herzlich ein.<br><br>Zu Beginn von <em>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig<\/em> steht ein Gespr\u00e4ch der Autoren mit Gr\u00e9goire Romanet, dem Designer des Buches. Am Ende steht der Dialog\u00a0<em>How to close a book<\/em>, der die letzte Bildstrecke vorbereitet. Ausstellungsphotographien und Werke der ersten gro\u00dfen Projektausstellung\u00a0<em>Figures de pens\u00e9e<\/em>\u00a0im Centre d\u2019art Contemporain Les Tanneries werden zeichnerisch kommentiert, fortgef\u00fchrt oder komplettiert. Die unterschiedlichen Stile und Methoden der Werke entsprechen dabei verschiedenen Themen und Methoden, die sich in den Kapiteln des Buches entfalten. Zwei Essays, einer von\u00a0Eric Degoutte, Direktor von Les Tanneries, ein anderer von Roger Malbert, Kurator und Zeichnungsexperte runden das Buch ab und diskutieren einerseits\u00a0die Beziehung zwischen Denken und Zeichnen\u00a0und andererseits das Lesen als Freundschaft.\u00a0In\u00a0<em>Philosophical Deviations<\/em>\u00a0reagiert Nikolaus Gansterer zeichnend auf verschiedene Paragraphen von Wittgensteins\u00a0<em>Philosophical Investigations (Philosophische Untersuchungen)<\/em>. Gansterer erkl\u00e4rt: \u201cKeine dieser Zeichnungen sind Illustrationen. Ich versuche festzuhalten, wie der Text in mir wirkt, wie er mein Denken und F\u00fchlen beeinflusst und dann diese Bewegung als Sprungbrett f\u00fcr das Zeichnen zu nutzen. Es geht nicht so sehr darum, was gesagt wird, sondern wie es den Leser bewegt.\u201d Im Zentrum des Buches stehen die Paragraphen der\u00a0<em>Philosophischen Untersuchungen\u00a0<\/em>selbst, auf die sich die verschiedenen Arbeiten und Gespr\u00e4che des Buches beziehen. Klaus Speidel hat sie schreibend und zeichnend annotiert. Die Kapitel\u00a0<em>Memories of Colour<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Just imagine a Rod\u00a0<\/em>und\u00a0<em>Now as One Thing, Now as Another<\/em>\u00a0basieren auf Sammlungen von Farbt\u00f6nen, St\u00e4be und Kisten. Speidel, der an der Sorbonne in Philosphie promoviert hat, erkl\u00e4rt: \u201cMich interessiert bei unserer gemeinsamen Arbeit auch das Ausloten von Grenzen philosophischer Abstraktion. Wenn wir beim Versuch einer k\u00fcnstlerischen Konkretisierung scheitern, kann das im Sinne eines \u201aAnlaufens gegen die Grenze der Sprache\u2018, wie Wittgenstein es nennt, neue Erkenntnisse vermitteln. Ich glaube, dass Kunstproduktion philosophische Erkenntnisse erm\u00f6glicht.\u201c Diese Interferenz zwischen Philosophie und Kunst wird in der titelgebenden Serie\u00a0<em>Playing with Ludwig\u00a0<\/em>konkret erfahrbar. Bei dieser performativen Versuchsanordnung sitzen zwei oder mehr Menschen einander gegen\u00fcber. Ausgehend von einem Text entspinnt sich ein neues Sprachspiel mit Zeichnungen und Objekten.<br><br>Links:<br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.galeriecrone.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Galerie Crone<\/a><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/editions-dilecta.com\/en\/home\/1287-playing-with-ludwig-figures-of-thought.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u00c9ditions Dilecta<\/a><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/shop\/playing-with-ludwig-jouer-avec-ludwig-nikolaus-gansterer-klaus-speidel-editions-dilecta-9782373721652.html\" target=\"_blank\">Motto Books<\/a><br><br><br><em><strong>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec Ludwig<\/strong><\/em><br>Authors: Nikolaus Gansterer, Klaus Speidel, Eric Degoute, Roger Malbert<br>Publisher: \u00c9ditions Dilecta, Paris<br>Year: 2022<br>Pages: 160<br>Dimensions: 21 x 28 cm<br>Language: bilingual English \/ French<br>Graphic Design: Gregoire Romanet<br>ISBN: 978-2-37372-165-2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Order the book <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/shop\/playing-with-ludwig-jouer-avec-ludwig-nikolaus-gansterer-klaus-speidel-editions-dilecta-9782373721652.html\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book01_w-1.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"682\" height=\"853\" src=\"https:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book01_w-1-682x853.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-53551\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book01_w-1-682x853.jpg 682w, 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340w, http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book05_w-768x549.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.mottodistribution.com\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Nikolaus-Gansterer_Klaus-Speidel_Playing-with-Ludwig_book05_w.jpg 1400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 682px) 100vw, 682px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Playing with Ludwig \/ Jouer avec LudwigNikolaus Gansterer &amp; Klaus SpeidelPublished by \u00c9ditions Dilecta, 2022 Book launch 21 January 2023from 4pm Galerie Crone BerlinFasanenstrasse 2910719 Berlin How do colours relate to memory? How does language relate to the world (and vice versa)? Can the invisible, such as thoughts, atmospheres or pain, be grasped through art? 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